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Lilayn
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Which race i have to choose for 50/50 solo grp rvr . Are they any important differences ?

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For melee dps choosing a low str race can make a huge difference on dmg. For a caster class (dps, healer, cc) cast speed difference between high and low dex is noticeable. But when it comes to minstrel there is no the best or the worst race. Your melee dmg doesn't scale as well as armsman and your only spell cast which benefits from dex is the useless aoe mez with huge cast time (you can only use it when your sorc is dead, bunch of enemies staying together and ignoring you )
The minimum difference between races are;
Highlander: highest str and con (more dmg from slash and more health)
Saracen: highest dex (more dmg from thrust and more evade/block (block had a fixed value of %10 for non-shield spec classes in Uth 1.0)
Briton: balanced version of two above
For group 50 inst / 44 thrust is the vay to go imo. I prefer it to be saracen. For solo you can't have weapon that high since you need stealth and slash has better styles/dmg if you are going with low weapon spec. So highlander+slash would be my choice but as I said the difference is really minimum. You should pick whatever you like.

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It's pretty stupid to go into melee as a solo minstrel, highlander is a bad choice except you like the look.
My Skald didnt have a template neither did he use buff charges but still killed all the amg VIPs by plain kiting, with a minstrel it's even easier.

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imamizer
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Wanna explain why highlander is a bad choice while you claim that you can win against everyone just kiting? Are britons better runners or something?

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imamizer wrote:Wanna explain why highlander is a bad choice while you claim that you can win against everyone just kiting? Are britons better runners or something?
Britons don't have skirts that slow them down.
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Lucifire
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Saracen for faster demez. Melee is only to be used as a last resort in battle, so do not factor it into your choice of race.

Jerrian
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Well, it depends on the way you wanna play, ofc kiting and avoiding melee is a good method to win as a minstrel, but is it fun?

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Koleriker wrote:A lot of people have fun plaing only if they win

What's the fun losing in melee all the time while kiting is a 100% win + the rage emotes of the tanks dieing without the slightest chance
Good times on my epic armor skald vs smoovy haha

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Firanum
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What skills do you use to keep tanks away from you? Arent they on cooldown after you used them?
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Firanum wrote:What skills do you use to keep tanks away from you? Arent they on cooldown after you used them?

Stun, mez, LW+end pots+sprint, SoS, slash side style snare or thrust 44 snare 2nd in chain anytime. Some pets can disease/cast cc/style snares/stuns though I am not sure what pets are available in frontier here yet.

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If you plan to play in a group, highlander will be your best choice. Because the only important stat for you is con
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Netchel
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Looking at the old styles list, it's hard to choose. On live I loved thrust, but going back to old styles means lower growth rates, weaker bleeds, and no good snares.
For now I'm expecting to be duoing at least 75% of the time, but anything could change.
I intend to go hybrid, leaning further towards mellee as realm ranks increase.
starting spec would be something like:
35 stealth
36 bow
42 shield
41 weapon
Which line do most scouts here follow and why?
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Thrust:
Advantages:
higher dex = greater weaponskill.
anytime snare chain at 44 if i manage spec it (but it chains off detaunt)
id need to check but iir the 39 style has a great ASR on it.
Disadvantages:
half the styles are stuns, which is redundant with slam.
offblock reactionary is a stun.
lower growth rates overall on styles.
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Slash:
Advantages:
more style options even at lower specs.
solid anytime
good side side snare for duoing
fantastic off block style (good dmg, good utility, low endo)
great dmg on backslash (see endo disadvantages)
Disadvantages:
Low str on scout, made worse by being saracen
lack of rear snare
backslash uses a ton of endo

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you forgot something...
as scout your main targets are stealther..
slash-advantage:
your enemys are vulnerable (SB + Hunter)
thrust advantage:
your enemy is neutral (NS + Ranger)
you have an 'after target blocks' if you like to face a tank
after evade combo (low endu)
thrust disadvantage:
your enemys are resistent (SB + Hunter)
nearly all styles use medium or high endu
slash disadvantage:
your enemys are resistent (NS + Ranger)
NO after evade!!
my scout is thrust..why?
because on thrust the Str/con debuff does not reduce damage so much which almost any good SB/NS uses..

Netchel
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Interesting angle. I tend not to worry too much about dmg type vs armor because im more of an equal opurtunity killer.
but, you are right, if i end up in melee odds are pretty good that its a sneak.
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any experience with the melee snares as a scout on uthgard?
on live with thrust id do numb->run through->rear hinder, then kite for bow dmg vs tougher targets where mellee alone wasnt working. in order to replicate that here id have to go slash and use the lvl 18 side hinder.
with regen rates rolled back to being a non-issue here, im not as concerend about bleeds or health regen, so other than adds, a kiting strategy might work for tanks

Netchel
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Hrmm it seems like I may have the wrong style info...
1) Does slash have any attack speed reduction (ASR) styles? It looks like riposte isnt as great a style as i thought. although the bonuses on it are all good, it doesnt have any special effect. Im not sure if thats a deal breaker for me, but it certainly would help to slow enemy dmg and make gettign off reactionaries easier.
it looks like if im going to hit 39 spec, my options are
UTILITY:
slash = side snare is the only 'utility' style
thrust = almost everything is a bleed (makes snares worthless) or stun. lvl 39 side ASR.
DEFENCE:
slash = only defence penalty is on enrage. medium bonus on riposte.
thrust = penalties on several styles including rear style. only bonus is on evade chain and bassy fang (side).
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I was looking at the two most common styles to use. anytime and off block.
ANYTIME:
SLASH =
Amethyst Slash
Fatigue : Medium
Damage : Medium
Attack : Very High Bonus
THRUST = what is the standard anytime? puncture -> lunch chain?
Puncture
Fatigue : High
Damage : Low
Attack : Medium Bonus
Special : Bleeding - Does damage to a target over a period of time. Damage per tick (every 4 seconds) 3 Damage type Body Duration 20 seconds
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OFFBLOCK: because scouts block more than not
SLASH=
Riposte
Opening : You block
Fatigue : Low
Damage : High
Attack : Medium Bonus
Defense : Medium Bonus
THRUST=
Beartooth
Opening : You block
Fatigue : Low
Damage : Medium
Attack : High Bonus
Special : Stunned - Stuns the target for a brief period of time. Duration 6 seconds
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It seems to be a fairly clsoe matchup between the two lines. It looks to me that slash has slightly better styles, but taking a HUGE hit in weaponskill i think would offset the gains. I might give slash a shot from lvl 40+ while pveing, but it seems like the dmg with thrust would be superior simply because id have so much more dex.

Mee
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As Musikus stated your biggest foe will be the str/con debuff if you face NS/SB. That will drop your damage through the floor with slash.

Netchel
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how expensive are respec stones on uthgard?
slash would likely be faster for me to pve with 40-50 because trees are thrust resistant and slash weak. with a net dmg difference of about 20%, id be better off with slash even with the lower weaponskill.
but i think i agree that thrust is likely to work out better in end game rvr.

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